Sat, 2 October 2010
Show #160, Release date: 2. October, 2010 If you would like to read more about this and the other Boston shows as well as other past gigs on this tour, check out my friend's blog, "Where ya been, where ya going?". Its an excellent read and its updated constantly as he travels with the band. Comments[27]
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- The Chicago recording was awesome! Felt like I was there. After listening to this, now I know to never go to a concert in Boston...do the f'in people ever shut up? It sounded like a frat party with the Wall playing on the radio.
Regardless, love what you do...peace - A future RW studio album, yes please. For now the live Wall concerts are a treat, so many thanks Doc. Keep them coming - there's something of a modern addition here come heightned sense of anticipation - those of us in London have months to wait, and these live shows are a serial stoking-of-the-fire! (And a couple of questions please: what happened to the early podcasts 1-38, are they still available?; and what was the outcome of the PF management action against your broadcasts?). Cheers, AL
- As I mentioned before I'm a huge fan of Roger, but one cannot deny he has done a lot of lip syncing during his (solo) career.
On bootleg recordings of the Pros and Cons tour (1984), there is extensive lip syncing on songs like Running Shoes and Go Fishing (Roger's vocal parts were directly lifted from the LP, the same is true for Every Stranger's Eyes during the In The Flesh tour). I can refer to the podcast "Sleepless Nights" on this site, where the vocal track on Every Stranger's Eyes fails, only bits of Roger miming the lyrics can be heard.
Of course this is only possible by using a "click track" or "metronome" to keep the visuals, lights and prerecorded orchestra in sync (the same is done on PULSE, except for the lip syncing).
The Dark Side of the Moon tour... I compared some recordings on this website, on YouTube, and I'm pretty sure there is lip syncing on The Perfect Sense, Have a Cigar, The Fletcher Memorial, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Us and Them, and maybe Time and In The Flesh. The words exactly sound the same on each recording, they can easily be matched, while this matching is not possible for a song like Mother or Comfortably Numb for instance.
But after all Roger *can* sing: these prerecorded vocals were done in the studio. The only thing is: he cannot consistently sing live. So time for a new studio album? I'm sure he's capable of that. - The other section that is a recorded insert is his LP-perfect "Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids Alone!" on ABITW 2 but I'm not sure the tannoy calls on Waiting For the Worms were *ever* done live? And there were always small "playback" inserts on certain sections of the original Wall shows. But look, at 67, I'm glad he sings as much of it as he does. I completely agree with the poster above on the nature of a Waters show and have no problem with this in the context of this show.
- regarding Roger lip-syncing:
While one can very reasonably see this as a disappointment, it is also true that Roger's music, both as a solo act and before that with Floyd, has always been a highly 'constructed' multi-layered elaborate production with a good deal of Artifice
[[Artifice<<--"Origin:late Middle English (in the sense ‘workmanship’): from Old French, from Latin artificium, based on ars, art- 'art' + facere 'make']]....so interesting, and perhaps tellingly this word is deeply connected to Both "Art" and "Artificial".
A simlar criticism was leveled back in 2007 when an IEM (inner ear monitor) version of his DSOTM was released onto the net, containing a metronome ticking and actual cues from a stage manager during the show)......the essence of that criticism was that some people were disappointed to learn that Roger's music was "Contrived".
That puzzled me a good deal , because I didn't think anyone would have 'mistaken' Waters of Pink Floyd for an extemporizing, improvising "Jam Band" in the sense of Dave Matthews Band or The Grateful Dead or Phish.
Roger's work is TIGHTLY structured, with almost all stage banter scripted along with the metronome-guided songs, so there is ZERO improvisation....which doesn't equate to their being zero Art, of course.
I DO realize that these two things, lip syncing in some places on the one hand & a metronome-guided heavily-cued stage show on the other, are quite different but I think they are also similar in that as always Roger's deepest concern is the final production, if that means using wind machines, & tape loops running around mike-stands (in the earliest DSOTM performances)sound effects and visuals that rival the production of the a film, then "So be it" seems to be Roger's philosophy.
It's also possible that he is both singing live AND being backed by a tape of his own voice, which I gather is not rare for live performances, with the Sound Bngineer doing the "Best" mix for that venue and that night's vocal quality on a given song.
Who knows.....? - That is really disappointing to hear. It SEEMED like his voice was just a little TOO good to be true in places, but I would also question Don't Leave Me Now, and the airhorn bit on Waiting For The Worms. Can anybody else confirm or deny this lip synching? Doc?? Say it ain't so!
- Waters is definitely lip syncing on In The Flesh, One Of My Turns and Another Brick In The Wall pt. III, and maybe even on other songs. In every show he hits the right notes on those songs, while that is not true for The Thin Ice where he clearly has some difficulties to sing in tune. Anyway, the shows are amazing and the music is outstanding!
- @Bass... I noticed Roger definitely lip syncing parts of the show at the last Boston show. I was 10 feet away from him. I'll see what I can do about MSG. My storage limit is maxed at the moment and its difficult to keep up.
@Kevan... Appreciate the kind words. I have considered a Facebook and rather not. but you can follow me on my own Facebook page here, http://www.facebook.com/matt.leonard2 - Hi Doc,
Just wanted to add my thanks and appreciation for, not just The Wall shows, but all the content you put here, excellent and dedicated work. I have to wait until next year to see this show so your podcasts are a great treat! Please keep up the good work.
All the best, Kevan. - I was at the Garden on Friday (AND the Sox / Yanks doubleheader Saturday). What a great show! Without spoiling anything, the visuals are amazing. Just a great theatrical performance! Roger's voice was in fine form, although I understand he was a bit under the weather. Anybody who is on the fence about spending the $ to go should just DO IT! You won't regret it.
- Wow Doc ! Talk about building the anticipationfor Manchester UK in May. Saw the wall in Earls court was blown away kept looking at the ticket before I went, 30 years on (no ticket yet only e-confirmation) and it still feels like being a kid. many thanks Keith
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