Sat, 23 June 2007
Show #87 Release
date: 22. June, 2007 27. June 1977, Bostin Gahdin, Set
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- AMLOR is by far the WORST Pink Floyd album ever made. The only decent songs on it are "Learning to Fly" and "On the Turning Away", and even those aren't that good. You can't consider yourself a true Floyd fan if you like AMLOR better than The Final Cut, one of my all-time favorites. That's just my opinion, but read this Rolling Stone review of The Final Cut from 1983, and maybe you'll go back and listen to it again and change your mind:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/107472/review/5943392/thefinalcut - Another wondeful podcast! Childhood\'s End indeed was a treat :)
The Final Cut was a good album, I prefer it over AMLOR by a longshot to be honest. I can sit through and listen to it entirely. The Gunner\'s Dream, Fletcher Memorial, and The Final Cut are among Floyd\'s best work. Very political album, but I guess that\'s expected of Waters.
I enjoy A Momentary Lapse of Reason though, but I feel it\'s the weakest Floyd album. A Saucerful of Secrets, Obscured by Clouds, Atom Heart Mother are easily more enjoyable. Momentary Lapse has great guitar work from David Gilmour on it, but the entire CD is a little too 80s for me. The drumming on the CD is a big turn off if I\'m not in the mood for it. The CD has a few gems on it, Learning to Fly, On the Turning Away, and Yet Another Movie are all great.
I have a request, along with the first Post-Waters show, would you mind adding the Pink Floyd Medley that Rogers did that included Pigs (Three Different Ones)? I\'ve heard about it, but I\'ve never had the chance to listen to it! - I\'ve always found What God Wants and High Hopes to be quite similar musically. That opening piano bit is almost exactly the same. Of course, David\'s wife\'s lyrics are a bit obtuse, while Roger beats you over the head with his list of his issues with god-worship. Oh yeah, great podcast, btw. I know Bill Graham recorded a show in Oakland, but wouldn\'t it be great for something like this to be officially released?
- I think it\'s less an issue of how many words there are than how well you can resonate with them. From TFC on, Waters started using a lot of names, dates, geographical locations, historical events, and so on that require you to keep a browser open to Wikipedia the whole time you\'re listening in order to fully appreciate.
On the flipside to that, some non-Waters lyrics can be frustratingly vague. Good lyrics need to be a synthesis of emotion and tangible stuff; you can\'t just sing \"sadness, love, anger\" etc. -- you have to hang a string in the glass of sugar water in order for the rock candy to form. By that I mean you have to have a bit of a story there. - hey doctor, class podcast. animals is my favourite album by a long way as gilmour\'s guitar in it made me want to pick one up myself.
quick question, i was trawling through a record shop in dublin today and found a live recording of the AMLoM tour, 6 records long, with Echoes taking up the first side of the first record. Was this just released on vinyl and does it really command the €100 ($135) they were looking for?
thanks for another great show! - great show, doc, i love animals.
AMLOR is not my favorite album, but i'd like to hear the first post waters show nonetheless.
PS is that a baby i hear at the beginning of SOYCD VI-IX? seems like there would be too much pot smoke and loud, scary noises for a baby to enjoy themself. - isnt the first post waters gig on the site here already?
maybe it's just stuff from that gig that's part of a podcast?
I think AMLOR is like every other floyd album pre or post waters
it's only after multiple listens that it opens up
mind you there is the post waters stigma that others attach to it
and it was towards the end of the 80's US coke period (- just look at the clothes and haircut :o)
and honestly I think that has more to do with the production and sound that even contractually being required to get an album out
it be nice to get another post waters band podcast maybe made of songs from, rather than a gig - I love AMLOR too - it's what got me into Floyd in the first place really and I've listened to it start to end more times than I can remember (I think I like it more than TDB now that I think about it). Even the much derided Dogs of War has a great driving rhythm and great lyrics like "Hell opened up and put on sale. Gather round and haggle". One Slip's sweet bass line; Yet Another Movie's middle guitar solo - all good stuff. It's just a bit unfortunate that even the harder edged songs come across as little trite when compared to Roger's more venomous offerings.
It's ignorant to dismiss the post-Waters albums (why not dismiss anything post-Barrett while we're at it??) - but it goes without saying that Gilmour and Waters deliver better results together than apart.
We live in hope of the high variety. - Thanks for the shout-out Doc, wasn't expecting that. The Sox look good this year, crushing our lowly Braves twice in Interleague play. Looks like the World Series will either go through Boston or Detroit this year.
Show is amazing, as always. Gotta love the Floyd during Animals...so much energy. - Holy crap, a live version of Childhood\'s End! With Dave in fine voice to boot! Sweet as! More please.
As for Waters Floyd and Water-less - both have pros and cons (ahem). AMLOR was really unlike any other Floyd album - which continued the tradition started with DSOTM. They\'ve all been structurally and musically different, while still being distinctive.
The Final Cut was way too lyric heavy (same with Pros and Cons and Amused To Death), whereas both AMLOR and Division Bell were a bit too lightweight lyrically - despite some nice work from Moore and Samson. There\'s some fantastic work on songs like Learning to Fly and High Hopes, but I think what the new Floyd really lacked was lyrical venom.
Roger is master of this (from DSOTM onwards predominantly), and Dave is a good valve for it. As Dave got constantly over-ruled on Final Cut, Rog just splurged which reached a peak with ATD. Unfortunately with songs like Leaving Beirut, Roger seems to have dispensed with any sort of subtlety. But then maybe he thinks that the best way to get his message across to the current audience. - Yeah, you know, even though I am much more a Gilmour fan than a Waters fan, I don\'t listen to AMLOR much. There are some great moments on it, but it and The Final Cut seem dated now, more so than most Floyd albums. The beauty of albums like DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, and even Meddle, is that you can listen to them today, and they still sound fresh...it still makes sense. The Final Cut got way to preachy and political (something Roger seems to thrive on), and AMLOR has a bit too much 80\'s flavor to it. Both are good albums, but when you compare them to other Floyd albums in their prime (from Meddle through The Wall), they just don\'t seem as strong.
But that is just my opinion. It\'s Floyd, and I can dig it. - Love the Show! Animals Rules and another hometown show is a big winner to me. Over the years, as a Floyd fan, I sort of discovered each album at different times of my life. AMLOR is special because it was the first time I saw them live(Tampa '87). A pretty good album, but it gave them a reason to tour and take advantage of a huge fanbase thirsty for more. DSOTM & Animals are probably my #1 and #2, but I love them all. THNX
ps Fans check out David Gilmour In Concert DVD - Thanks Doc
Always a treat to hear Animals live.
My comment on post Waters Floyd: I liked The Divison Bell and I have the Pulse CD and I think it kicks ass (I'm kinda upset that when they re-released the CD for when the DVD was coming out that they didn't put "One Of These Days" on it).
But AMLOR (momentary lapse of reasoning) I did not like. It's the only album of Floyd I don't have (I borrowed it from a friend for a weekend). The only songs I like off it is "Learning To Fly" and "On The Turning Away". Ummagumma is a masterpiece compared to AMLOR. But that's my opinon...
The late 80's were a strange time for Floyd and for Roger Waters. Roger released Radio KAOS around the same time and was the lowest selling album out of the 3 solo albums he's released. I think the main reason for AMLOR's failure was the abscence of one man...Rick Wright. His involvement was only at the near end of the album. Another problem is that I think that AMLOR sounds more like a David Gilmour solo record. Some may say that The Final Cut sounds like a Roger Waters solo record (which it kinda is but I like that album and it follows the Floyd concept idea). And David Gilmour was trying to make album like Roger did by putting sound effects (like the TV sound) in the songs. Dave was trying to sound like Roger with songs like "Dogs Of War", a song about war and greed.
I think for The Divison Bell Dave found his own sound with the help of Rick. And for a closing opinon: doesn't it seem that ALMOR sounds like About Face and On An Island sounds like a conitnuation of Divison Bell?
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