Fri, 26 October 2007
Show #97 - Release date: 26. October, 2007 I'm trying an experiment, something some of you may like. I’m thinking every once in a while I should whip up a CDR friendly podcast. The only drawback is that they're confined to just under 80 minutes. Let me know your thoughts. This podcast features an excellent recording taken from the soundboard on the 9th August, 1969 at The Paradiso in UPDATE 3, Nov 07 - There has been some recent controversy with this particular podcast. Find out why in the comments section. 1. Brain Damage [Wintergardens, Bournemouth, U.K., 22. January, 1972] Photo courtesy evminiatures.com Comments[61]
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- I had a Pink Floyd Radio show on 3Pbs with a friend in 1988-89 broadcasting all the existing Early Floyd that was around at the time we spent 7 months and barely touched into 1970 -
The Doc here is doing the same as us in a different medium, We would have broadcast this on radio at the time and people would have taped some of our things and I'm sure those things were traded...
Let the music play - Besides since this has now come from other sources it's all cool and everyone can listen -
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1998/04/25/Med/01.html I read the news 10 years ago Oh Boy!
- Doc:
I'm just a 40 something guy who wonders what kind of people would be worried about what format your show is in? Does it really matter? Do these people have jobs or kids or school work or something more important to worry about?
I just dig on all the stuff I've never heard before! - These 'casts just keep getting better and better. And there are so many ways to cut the larger ones into CD-R size. I use Roxio Easy CD/DVD Burning feature that lets me record from outside sources in real time, then convert to digital and finally to CD.
And I see a lot of Red Sox Nation residents here. The Patriots, sure thing to make the Super Bowl, and if the Celtics keep this pace, we might just hit the New England Sports Trifecta! - No need to keep a podcast under 80 minutes to make it CD-R friendly - most podcasts get listened to on the computer (streaming) or on iPod (or other MP3 player) anyway, at least the way I understand it.
Just mind your playlist and leave about 5 or so seconds of dead air somewhere approaching the 80 minute mark (and the 160 minute mark, and so forth), to allow somebody to cut the MP3 up for burning. :) Simple solution to maintain the length of the show and still make it CD-ready.
Also, regarding the MP3/lossless issue, I've always had this philosophy: Lossless is great for trading and burning, but sometimes I just want to hear something.
mp3 is fine for what YOU'RE doing, and not fine for what Yeeshkul is doing; it's that simple. Rock on, Doc! - mike:
I know that David Gilmour's site [and therefore DG himself] knows about various sites, personally I've mentioned the Doc there
and I've read in artist & illustrator magazine how an artist came to terms with the fact that once they had something on the net they gave up all hope of royalties or control
plus, for live audio recordings at least, a lot of musicians put out for free those recordings themselves [any rush fans in?]
speaking from personal experience, if I put up a photo or image I set the profile to a web one so if someone does d/load then it prints darker spoiling it - for some studio work there is the ability to stop the amount of copies made
but I can state that through the docs work I've bought four albums I would never have of the floyd and will buy the syd barret solo stuff too when I come across it
the least an artist can hope for is that there is someone like the Doc for them, who doesnt charge and presents live, rare and other types of recording in the way he does
I don't think there are too many people here who go out spend top dollar on an artist's cds just to maliciously spread it on the net to harm the srtist
I fully understand and sympathise with your or any musician, having played bass, sax and guitar in bands during my time, it would annoy if someone carelessly abused the work, but radiohead just gave away there album for free, a lot paid, a lot didn't
and then there's the companies themselves? where do you honestly think a lot of music comes from? don't have to mention movies! you yourselves ever watch a pirate copy of a movie?
you could do something about it, the law's on the artists side, but you're probably not going to want to do much creativity when the law courts are over
(and I do drive a lot faster with marylin manson on the cd player in the car! :o) - I like the double (possibly triple) meaning of \"silenced in paradise\" as a podcast title.
By the way, we kind of lost the thread of yes or no to 80 minute casts. A few people said keep them long, because PF are artists. Well, artists make things that are different sizes. So, tell ya what... make them the length that feels right. Short is okay sometimes. Keep in mind that 80 minutes is still TWICE as long as a typical album. - Hey TJ, looks like your on your own on this guy. We all love the Doc and his show and what he provides fro the millions of Floyd fans.
Its ironic...Roger Waters once wrote "In perfect isolation, here behind my wall," and yet this is where you stand TJ. Sorry it had to come to this for you and your ego - Hey Doc. I love your show and look forward to downloading the latest podcasts.
I don't know what the hell the fuss is about your show being in mp3 format. I agree that Floyd ROIOs shouldn't be traded in lossy formats if it can be avoided but that's not what you're doing here.
I would love to download more stuff from the likes of Yeeshkul but unfortunately I have a download cap on my broadband. If your podcast was in lossless format, I would have to think twice about downloading it as it'd take out 10% of my monthly bandwidth in one fell swoop. Also, I would have to go to the hassle of converting it into an mp3 to play on my little 1gb player anyway.
You're doing great work here. Because of your radio show, I and lots of other Pink Floyd fans have had the opportunity to listen to performances I otherwise would have missed. I don't give a rat's ass that your podcast is an mp3. If everyone on the planet had ears as sensitive as TJ, nobody would ever have bought an iPod! - What surprises me is how some folks seem to think they have some sort of ownership of these audio recordings. You do not. Roger, Dave, Rick and Nick do, and with them, trading FLAC has every bit as much legitimacy as Doc\'s podcast. I can appreciate folks wanting to make sure they have the most pure sources, but Doc has as much right to make this podcast (in MP3) as you do to trade.
- Doc, I have to speak up here, what you do is awesome. STAND YOUR GROUND!
I have downloaded and listened to every podcast you have created. They help me get though the day at a very stressful job. I also have a very close friend who has lost both his mother and father in a 4 month span. He lives out of town and we see each other about once or twice a year. This year I have seen him a couple of times extra due to his having to come up to bury his parents. His mother went first and the only thing I could think of to help was to give him some of your shows copied to a CD. He really enjoyed them and later in the year when he had to come up to bury his father, he let me know that he also puts the cd\'s I had given him in his computer at work and it helps get him through his days. He is stuck in the middle ages a bit and only had dial up access, so I copy the shows to CD and send them to him.
I should have thanked you earlier for your hard work in creating these shows. I am a \"lurker\" and have never posted anything on any site before this.
However after reading the post\'s above and the grief you have been given over this I felt I had to let you know what your show means to two old friends.
I am sure there are plenty of other folks who feel like I do and like me feel a little leary about sharing their thoughts. This one is worth commenting on.
As a way of closing this, I have no idea about the rights and wrongs of file sharing, all I can assume is we all love the music of Pink Floyd, who cares what file format it is in, as long as we can listen and enjoy, isn\'t that what it should be about?
Again, thank you very much for what you do, and please keep up the awesome work!
- hey doc. long time listener, first time poster,
i enjoy your podcast. i don't care that it's in mp3. This TJ and len (i think they are the same person, he just typed in broken english as len, imo) are idiots. he/they want you to stop the show to keep there contacts happy and no jobs are lost, but it's ok to trade this on harvested? whatever. and, speaking of trade groups, i love it when they post a show and at the bottom they'll have little notes saying"don't convert to .mp3" i'm sure they mean not to trade the file in mp3, but, i convert just about EVERY cd i get from those groups to mp3 and burn 7 or 8 cd's worth of music onto 1 cd, and can listen to it in my car without having to change cd's evey hour. and with all the driving i do on my job, 1 mp3 cd lasts me almost 2 days. and while i usually have the disc playing in random mode, i always put one of your podcasts on there so i can get at least 1 complete concert without a pause or anything. i love it.
and as far as the 80 min podcasts go, i'm against it myself, since most new cd players these days are mp3 capable, i don't see the point. hell, i even have 1 cd with 6 podcasts on it, and i've popped it in the player at least twice, and my particular car stereo starts the disc right where i turned it off, even a mp3 cd. thanks for letting me ramble.
the podcasts are just fantastic, that is really what i think... - I don't really know too much about all this "lossless audio" stuff but the Doctor's podcasts sounds pretty damn good to me and I very much hope they continue. Thanks to this site I've been able to hear rare shows and other material I could only dream about a few years ago. I don't care if they're mp3s or whatever, I'm just grateful to be able to hear them! Thanks Doctor!
- What Bernhard said. I consider myself to be reasonably snobby about audio, and yet if you switch back and forth between an mp3 and a wav file, I can barely tell the difference.
Besides, there\'s no such thing as truly \"lossless\"... to make digital audio at all, it has to go through an analog to digital converter, and then to play back it has to go through the reverse. Some people are against CDs because they say it ruins the sound. - When I first listened to the BBC broadcast of Floyd live from Wembley way back in 1974, as a 16 year old teenager, I heard it on an old transistor radio that my father had. Well done to the Doc for providing the Floyd community with quality recordings of our favourite band, long may it continue!
- What I think the FLAC community or whatever is failing to realize is that this was originally going to be broadcast over the air. It was recorded for a radio station, only an equipment malfunction kept it locked up for 35 years. If it had made it on the air then we all would have a lossy format copy by now anyway.
Doc....If you remove it, which you shouldn\'t, thanks for the collector\'s item. I already have it on my iTunes.
- back to the podcast length
short & sweet
perfect for the car!
but
the 2hrs version is much much better
more floyd & more doc
DL's reference to Eco reminds mre of another novel of his "faucalt's pendulum"
where the story teller's friend spends his short life looking for his "day" where he get's to the truth
and the reality was he had already had it [playing trumpet at the funeral where his notes touched the sun]
maybe these folks are like his friend, these dogs have already had thier day, they just don't recall and are trying to find it in attacking you doc
keep on trucking doc! - OK,this is very very funny...i remember on 1999 in "irc" when we (a group of friends) started a channel called "ROIO", and i remember because "i remember" we offered pink floyd shows and rare stuff on "mp3", that channel had a LOT of people trading and the sound quality was good.
Then the channel is converted now in a "wav", "shn", "flac" etc etc files, with just "5 people", yes "5 people" ok?...that was very sad, but, many people started to think that the Pink Floyd music (i mean de "bootleg" music)was part of them!!!, for god sake, hahaha, and then many (YEESHKULS) came out.
I remember that i didn't have too much material about the floyd(at the time), so, when i saw aaalll the material on yeshkul and other webpages (only dates and names, no files) i thought, "my god, i wish i could hear all that shows, but how?...and then i sent an e-mail to all those people who (trade) that material, and they told me that i needed to have a LOT material not on mp3, because bla,bla, bla bla bla...an i said "no way" i just want to hear not trade or something...this is a question for ALL the harevested people and yeeshkul and everybody else: Do u know that is against the law "TRADE" bootleg material???...ah?.
YES gentleman, it's against the law, so my little question is: "how dare u to write e-mails, and believe that you're the pink floyd company saying that a person (The Doc) must be quit to the show, podcast?...AAH?...come on, you make ma laugh a lot, TJ (don't care your name),dont be silly, because you look like ,this is INTERNET!!!!, and in case you don't know even "The Beatles", Pink Floyd" and many many other artists started to sell "HIS!" official on amazon, and many other, OK?????...and guess what, dude, "ON MP3"!!!!...yeah!!!..lol.
Don't be stupid, the trade groups will be dissapear, ok?, the INTERNET is very very powerful, what r u gonna do ah?, stop all the people who has a pink floyd podcast????...you'll be a lot of your life trying to do that...that's the reason i'm laughing of u.
The music don't have walls!!!, you and harvested, yeeshkul and all those people, hate the music,and you know what?, there's a LOT, LOT, of podcast on the internet who is making exelent radio shows presenting ROIO'S, a LOT of ROIO'S on the cyberspace.
Doc, don't destroy your dreams only because a group of people is trying to make the music by their own,think it!!.
Brain Damage:The Definitive Pink Floyd Radio Show will be exist...and if anyone dares to destroy it...be sure that there are 100000 outthere, who "LOVES DE PINK FLOYD MUSIC" will make them.
Love:
Alex (floydwall)
PS: Excuse my English but i bealieve i'm trying to speak with the sound of music and i think all the people will understand me. - Hey Doc,
Thanks for sharing this.
I have an extensive lossless collection but am not a flac snob. Some of those guys would rather listen to a show recorded from under a hippy's armpit than a good mp3 rip from a soundboard.
Anyhow, thanks for the podcasts.
We love 'em........ - Well 'And btw, sharing something as good as this in mp3 format is an absolute insult to the folk that risked their trading contacts to get this out in the open.'
HMMMMMM - I'm beginning to smell a conspiracy.
So a guy who works 'in the vaults'
gives 'about' five copies of this show out(to people all of whom TJ knows the names of...so if you know all the names why
'about'?)- any legal responsibilities or job losses(his own?) are down to THIS guy.
But wait...It was STOLEN from one of the five and leaked further.Well..that definitely means no repercussions on the Doc.
It appears on Yeeshkul and is then removed.OK...
The Doc is then 'humbly' asked to remove it and then immediately ATTACKED:
'And btw, sharing something as good as this in mp3 format is an absolute insult to the folk that risked their trading contacts to get this out in the open.', by the guy supposedly being humble.
If you want someone to do you a favour - don't attack them.But then phrases such as 'Not Acceptable.' when being offered to remove the show in a weeks time and 'will have no option but to suspend your Y account if you refuse to remove it from your site. Not only are you ignoring my wishes but you are also sharing an absolute great roio in mp3/lossy format. I ask once more - please remove it.'show theres no humble about it.Thats aggression.
Some more quotes clinch it for me:
'I know that theres very little chance of anyone losing a job over this, but I want to keep my contacts and their contacts happy.If theres little chance of job losses why say there are?
BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE.
'The proper files are currently being weeded on Harvested Weeds. You can point your users there.'
Its available every where as 'PROPER' files - no hub or mailing group has removed or been asked to remove this show.If you don't want this show out there TJ why point people to Harvested.
Its not about the show THIS IS AN ATTACK ON THE DOC!
My bet is 'I want to keep my contacts and their contacts happy.' has nothing to do with keeping Floyd management happy - the suppliers of the shows to Yeeshkul are pissed that 'their' material is ending up in mp3.THATS what this is all about!
- Hello all – reading all this stuff reminds me of the Middle Ages described in the novel (& film) by Umberto Eco – ‘The Name of the Rose’. The story is about hiding the truth about one book in the library – by any means, whatsoever !!
In the end the library is burned down as a consequence of this fact – by accident, though – but as a consequence.
This discussion must stop now – we are all keen lovers of Pink Floyd and their music – and should continue to be.
A common brotherhood dedicated to spread, advertise and preserve the music of Pink Floyd.
That’s how I feel – but there seems to be another small, illegal, underground brotherhood, who wants to take control – and who thinks they have the right to do it.
But we’re not living in the Middle Ages, we’re living in 2007, where the technology of the Internet is the strongest weapon that defends democracy in the whole world.
Think about it.
If the music is out there – (somewhere – any kind of music) - in the end the music will end up at the Internet – in some form or another. No one can stop that.
The brotherhood of Yeeshkul live their own life, - let it be – and we can be thankful for the music they circulate.
But the discussion of the quality – lossless contra mp3 – is absolutely irrelevant.
I have a collection of about 2000 LP’s (vinyl) and among them are all Pink Floyds official LP’s – (beside - I have about the same amount of CD’s.)
Now I listen to Doc’s show streamed in mp3 - and I feel glad and joyful – because now a wider experience of Pink Floyd follows.
It’s not a matter of lossless quality or not – it’s the very soul of the music that counts – bad music or good music.
Good music will always be good music - whatever the media may be.
It seems that Yeeshkul don’t feel the same. I think they have missed the whole point in sharing the music.
Keep up the good spirit, Doc, and let no one control you !!!
- I guess you can't please all the people?
\"What’s the major harm here? Who\'s getting hurt? Me and my listeners all because of elitist lossless people who can\'t chill out over something they don\'t even own.
I mean no ill will and no disrespect. I always make sure I present everything in the highest quality within my medium with respect to Pink Floyd and their music. My show is not geared toward the trading community. What would the point in that be? My show is geared to people like myself, a fan who just simply wants to enjoy Floyd\'s music.\"
good job this ain\'t Iran ;)
thanks for all you do Doc - Hey Doc!
Nice post. Love the idea of having CD-R-friendly podcasts.
Looking back at your previous shows (all of which were AMAZING), I realized that you are nearing your hundredth podcast! Are you planning anything special?
Might I suggest a "look back at the greatest moments of the previous shows?" A hundred songs, one from each show. - I've briefly skimmed the 'lossless' posts: not being particularly techy or 'up with it' - I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. All I can say is that I've only recently found your podcast and I think it's the greatest. I've only seen the Floyd 4 times (all here in the UK) but I know that they are at their best live and your podcasts are just fantastic at conveying that. I don't know how you do it, or where you find the shows - I'm just delighted you do.
My observation (for what it's worth) on the 80 minute format is that - as others have said - it's pretty easy to split the mp3 to burn it on 2 CDs if you want to. My vote would be to keep the longer format to preserve the Floyd live 'vibe'. They are, at the end of the day, meant to be experienced as entire pieces/concertos. This is ART, not fast-food.
Best regards& thanks again,
Simon - I\'m quite baffled reading through this discussion. what kind of paternalism or rather dictation is this? all the arguments are on the table anyway
I only want to add the following: I have been involved in music for the greatest part of my life, and I never ever felt insulted by either a 128 or 192 mp3 file, always in regard to what it is. I am a heavy ipod user, and it never occured to me I am listening to bad quality files or whatever. and believe me I have an impeccable hearing. I only take things for what they are when it comes to audio formats. and this one is a podcast.
apart from that my impression is that a lot of the whole lossless discussion is a bit pathological anyway if I may say that. it is impossible that the argumentation is solely built upon a qulity argument. this is pathetic.
these podcasts are an outpoor of commitment to floyd\'s music and a great labour of love for us listeners. my appreciation for this work is beyond words, and I believe so it is for thousands upon thousands of other listeners. - hello i am the person who was given the original recording of amsterdam1969. it was taken from me by not lawfull oras illigal action.
it was shortly on yeeskul and removed for legal reasons. please do not put job in danger and remove this podcast asap thanks. hope to hear soon from you. ray - Hi there
I am shocked that you get hassle for all your work.
Everybody listen.
1, This is a podcast not a trading group.
2, This is Mp3 if you can't deal with that go to the lossless trading groups nobody is making you listen to this.
3, The doc works hard putting these podcast out there for free, no sorry that should be in capitols FREE.
4, Show some respect for the work the doc is doing, if its not for you go else where.
Doc please lose no more sleep over this do not even bother to reply to people who have no respect for what you do, just delete their email and posts and give them not another seconds thought. Your fans far out number the critics and we love you.
The world is big enough for both a podcast and lossless trading. - Hi Doctor
DO NOT REMOVE THIS PODCAST.
TJ does not seem to understand what this is all about. I too am a lossless trader but that is not what this is about. TJ if you don't like what the Doctor is doing go back to Yeeshkul and leave everybody here alone.
Why do people have problems with great sites...
Pinkfloydneptune is asked to stop trading and it does.
the doctor is asked to remove this podcast and he is going to (don't do it doc).
what is wrong with people in the world.
we are all on your side doc we love ya!!!! - I have to agree with TJ ,not only about the last posted show but all of the other ones
Floydartifacts ,Harvested, Yeeshkull and others who are involved in lossless trading are always asking fellow traders not to convert to MP3
Doc, YOU ARE CONVERTING TO MP3.
I know for a fact that you trade on floydartifacts.
We all know MP3 is a lesser quality and with the software that exists to edit your commentary out,the possibility exist that these shows can be traded.
Why don\'t you ask Ron Toon ,Floydartifacts and all the others who put hard work in making these show enjoyable for the Floyd fans to trade what they think of you converting to MP3 - As well as being a Floyd fan,I had a thing for early Whitesnake and in the 80's was given a demo of some Mel Galley songs,some of which came out on a Whitesnake l.p,on the strict understanding that I DID NOT COPY IT.I never did and it still leaked out into the lossless community all these years later.Someone leaked it but not me.Some one will always leak it,some one will always sell it and someone will always convert it.Fact of life,good or bad.
TJ,Len-you gonna ask Floydartifacts,Echoes,PinkfloydROIO's and all the rest to remove this show?.It's out there and it's gonna stay out there.
I am a lossless trader but I'm getting sick of the elitest snobbery of some of the community who think they can dictate to the rest of the world how they can listen to Pink Floyd's music.If you want only lossless that's fine - trade only in lossless.I prefer lossless myself but I have some shows I actually went to in mp3 format because that's the only format I have found them in.I don't trade them in lossless Hubs because I respect the rules of those hubs.They should respect my right to decide how to listen,store and trade.If I had an Ipod(I don't) and I wanted to take a shed load of Floyd with me on holiday I'd damn well convert it to mp3 but I wouldn't trade it.The podcast has to be in mp3 format and there are people who listen and enjoy it who wouldn't know a ROIO if it hit them in the teeth.People who can't afford fifteen hard drives but love the Floyd.
In the end it's all about sharing with Floyd fans every where, but the longer i'm in the "sharing" world I realise that ,just like in real life,there's a lot of folks who think they know better,and that the world exists for them,and don't get me started on the amount of official material that is shared by various lossless trading groups who have NO OFFICIAL MATERIAL rules.
Don't remove the cast Doc,you were being considerate to them - they are more or less telling you to stop these shows - that's no consideration to you or the other Floyd fans who wouldn't be able to hear this stuff .
- Thank you Maff, Angry Guy. I'm really torn here and not sure what I should do.
Len,
I understand your point and TJ's point to some extent. Some, actually many will agree with my side of things as well. Why can't everyone just get along and enjoy the music that brings us all together?
I'm just so exhausted with this debate and it goes nowhere. Nobody owns the rights to any of the recordings except Pink Floyd. Anyway... The same issue was brought up a few years ago by Marooned after I was invited to the Echoes hub after he was told my me what I was going to be doing. After the shit hit the fan (excuse me) I quickly consulted publicly with the members and owners of floydartifacts. I may of with Harvested but don't remember for sure but I definately did on floydartifacts and I was given their blessing so long my shows were not being traded, which they are not and never have been nor will the be.
I'm NOT a trader by hobby BUT I do need it to get material for my popular show. I'm grateful for the resource. So its an interesting relationship I have with the trading community. What do you suggest I do? Do you know of a way to get my show lossless and yet still be compatible with popular means of listening? I'm open to suggestions.
I've been a member of all the trading groups for 3 three years and now all this? I've always uploaded the very same untouched lossess material in exchange for what I’ve downloaded. For as long as I've been doing this, nothing I've done on my podcasts has tainted the collective pool, if you will.
Here's something interesting... There’s a highly respected, well known trader that streams Floyd gigs on his website in both lossy 128k and 96k mp3 streams 24/7, 365 without getting harassed from his peers. Why is that? What’s to stop someone from ripping his mp3 stream? It is possible to do. My podcast is the same thing except I talk between songs and its 2 hours every two weeks. What’s the major harm here? Who's getting hurt? Me and my listeners all because of elitist lossless people who can't chill out over something they don't even own.
I mean no ill will and no disrespect. I always make sure I present everything in the highest quality within my medium with respect to Pink Floyd and their music. My show is not geared toward the trading community. What would the point in that be? My show is geared to people like myself, a fan who just simply wants to enjoy Floyd's music.
Lastly... I want to apologize to my regular listeners who don't care about the differences between lossless and mp3. I'm sorry you were a witness to this nonsense. This is the kind of unnecessary bullshit I deal with sometimes behind the scenes. It sucks! - 3 Nov 07 4:57pm EDT
Latest NEWS on the TJ issue... here is his reply to my proposal which he didn\'t take to kindly too.
\"Not acceptable. I\'ve asked you nicely and will have no option but to suspend your Y account.if you refuse to remove it from your site. Not only are you ignoring my wishes but you are also sharing an absolute great roio in mp3/lossy format. I ask once more - please remove it.\"
He still doesn\'t get it. Poor sausage. Anyway, here\'s my reply. I hope its the last because its getting old.
\"Thats a good thought TJ. Please remove my account. I never use it anyway. Again, as I stated. I\'ll remove it when I told you I would and not a second before. The more you press it, the less chance I\'ll remove it. You\'re WAY out of line. You have no ownership rights to said material and no right to tell me what to do on my site and podcast. Got a problem? Take it up with my friends at EMI or better yet, PFM. I\'m sure they\'ll appreciate your contributions toward the distribution of their unauthorized material. Anyway... I\'ll remove it because you asked but it will be done on my terms. Dig?
Doc\"
...and so it goes. - Yes, Superzapper. I'm hearing that more and more from other people so thank you you for posting that. I may use that info to justify keeping it after all.
TJ is way off base and basically has no right whatsoever to ask me to remove anything.
and... Yes Pink... I've posted may of my favorite shows already and the next one is right up there. - These 4 tracks are already available on a European Bootleg CD in lossless format called "Silenced in Paradise".So Seems to be a case of Closing the gate after the horse has already bolted.Obviously one of the Five original people can not be trusted.I've already pumped at least 10 copies of this gig to Floyd Fans before this Podcast came out and it's on my trade list in lossless .I would guess that it's really about a trader who couldn't keep something to himself and now he's worried that his source will dry up.Thanks for the great podcasts Doc.
- I was the person who released this on Yeeshkul. After a brief stint on the site I was contacted to take it down as people's jobs were at risk - which I reluctantly, but promptly complied with.
So I humbly ask that you do the same.
And btw, sharing something as good as this in mp3 format is an absolute insult to the folk that risked their trading contacts to get this out in the open.
T. - Thank you Max, but please be nice. Some of you will notice I changed the name of this podcast. If you read TJ\'s comment above and my replies here along with the entire history of our emailing, you will know why.
TJ sent me his above comment already via email. I replied before seeing that he posted the very same email here too. Since TJ wishes to deal with this (rather inappropriately) in the open, here was my reply to TJ.
Hi T.
No insult intended. I know nothing about trading contracts nor do I have anything to do with trading. With all due respect to your much appreciative hard work, what I do is very different than lossless bootlegging/trading. My podcast (produced in lossless wav) has to be converted into ONE CONTINUOUS mp3 file, NOT TRACK BY TRACK to make it a \"podcast\". Thats what a podcast IS. I\'m not trading it. I\'m not weeding it in a track by track fashion. I\'m a DJ and Its a radio show. The method of distribution and purpose of what I do is completely different than what you do.
A vast majority of my audience know nothing about lossless trading and could care less. Some ask. I tell them about \'Yeeshkul\' and \'FloydArtifiacts\' and \'Harvested\' and if they become interested in trading lossless material for themselves, then great. You don\'t see people trading my podcast, do you? It just comes down to people being happy listening to Floyd.
A father of a this girl who was having a very hard time dealing with the death of some loved ones lost in a car accident emailed me. I was told they would try and hurt themselves to bleed out pain! The father made a CD of my show and sent it to her (assuming she was perhaps away in college or something) He says, \"She really touched me when she called one day after I sent her a disc with the Momentary Lapse/Division Bell concert podcast. She said \'dad... you rock. Floyd\'s guitar work makes me forget all the bad things that have happened and remind me of Kristi and me playing air guitar while listening to the your CD\'s that you \'lost\' and I \'found\'. It will take me a while, dad, but, I am \'Coming back to Life\'. I love you, dad.\'\"
If that isn\'t want its all about, then you tell me what is?
Don\'t think for one second I don\'t realize if it weren\'t for recorders and people like you and Ron Toon at Harvested releasing material my podcast wouldn\'t exist. I thank you!
Now, perhaps if you give me some background, source information as to why I should remove it?
Respectively,
Doc
TJ replied with a very weak argument for why I should remove it.
\"Suffice to say that it was a friend of someone who worked at the studio archives who contacted me. This studio worker gave a copy to someone who in turn made copies for about 5 people (all of which I knew the names of. One of those five gave it onto my contact - not Ron btw (and he didn\'t have it beforehand AFIAK). The studio worker\'s friend recognised it pretty quickly where it had come from and got nervous because apparently, PF management explicitly forbade this material to be release due to the \'substandard\' quality of the performance.
If you would remove it it would be much appreciated,, so it\'s not so conspicuous . I know that there\'s very little chance of anyone losing a job over this, but I want to keep my contacts and their contacts happy.
The proper files are currently being weeded on Harvested Weeds. You can point your users there.
Thanks,
TJ.\"
My response?
\"TJ,
Understood. Pink Floyd Management says that about ALL their unauthorized material. Besides I had nothing to do with it being leaked and/or released. If thats the nature surrounding this then it shouldn\'t of been circulated to begin with and kept to those fortunate 5, if them.
I don\'t know TJ. I don\'t want to be the bad guy or cause ill will but you\'re asking a hell of a lot... I mean the cat\'s out of the bag. Thats it. Done. Sounds like thats what everyone has come to sumize and no harm has or will come to anyone. What good will it do my show? Its already been downloaded 1,052 times.
I didn\'t get my copy off/from Yeeshkul, f.y.i. Not everyone uses it. Had I known before about the \"hush hush\" surrounding it then I probably wouldn\'t of featured it. I got my copy 2 weeks ago, long after circulating on Floydartifacts.
I\'m willing to bet if I called it something else, we wouldn\'t be having this issue. Wouldn\'t that be a pisser.
Would you settle for me renaming the podcast to something else to draw the recognition away or I could just provide credit \"Released by TJ first on Yeeshkil\"...
Remove it? I have to think long and hard about that.
Respectfully,
Doc\"
So there you go... FOR THE RECORD. I feel I\'m making a fair argument here. I also think that TJ sealed the fate by posting this drama here. The podcast stays. - After some good thinking, here is the latest email I sent to TJ so everyone is on the same page here. Grab this podcast while you still can.
"TJ,
I've decided that it will remain on my site for now. As a favor to ONLY you, I'll remove the show when I post a new podcast next week on 9. Nov.
I hope you find that acceptable at least. One thing I cannot stress enough is... and please allow me to make it very clear, that I'm only doing this in hopes it won't deter the "leaking" or releasing of other, newly discovered material.
Have fun with your lossless trading and i'll have fun with my podcasting.
Peace,
Doc" - nice post mate, why dont you just split your posts in 2? i dont see why people are worried about concerts being split into 2 99% of the gigs had 10-20 minute breaks in them any way,or maybe you could put a link up for an mp3 splitter? what ever you do ill still be downloading your pods evry fortnight. cheers doc!!
- Another great podcast from the Floydicas Demigod of the internet. Sandy, Mike & I will love this one. As for the 80min podcast, I'm impartial because I use Nero and just split the .mp3 into two halves so they fit just nicely on cdr for me either way. I've downloaded them all and created my own Braindamage Catalogue and I love it. Keep Rockin' Doc! We love you in Kentucky!
- Regarding trainerdave\'s question;
\"Besides DSOM and Animals, are there any other tracks worked out on the road before vinyl, from Meddle, Obscured, Wish You were Here or Wall?\"
The early version of \"Shine On\" was developed on stage, along with the prototype \"Sheep\" and \"Dogs\" in the 1974/75 UK/USA tour. The now familiar first guitar solo was absent in early versions. In some 75 concerts you can hear its origins as a fill behind the keyboards, then at some point it appeared as the solo without which it is now impossible to imagine \"Shine On\". I\'m sure it was first played live at Knebworth in 75 - Doc, do you have the rest of that concert to check that?
\"Have A Cigar\" was first played in 74 as well, but I don\'t think that has changed at all, except for Snowy White providing a much-needed second guitar on the 77 tour.
I seem to recall an interview around that time (74) in which either DG or RW said that performing and refining prior to recording was the way Floyd worked, in contrast to the conventional method of \"perfecting\" a piece or album in the studio and then going out on tour.
Incidentally, if anyone doesn\'t have the new Gilmour dvd yet, e.g. if you\'re expecting it for Christmas, then take my advice - set aside an entire evening, disable all telephones, get plenty of your favourite drink and play the whole of the Albert Hall performance(i.e. all of disc 1). You won\'t be disappointed, especially with \"Echoes\".
Best Wishes
Tony - Once again Doc, a stunner! I enjoy hearing formulative versions of what would later emerge as polished tracks. (You've previously treated us to early road-testing of "Dogs" and "Sheep" - thanks!)
QUESTION: Besides DSOM and Animals, are there any other tracks worked out on the road before vinyl, from Meddle, Obscured, Wish You were Here or Wall? - yes...GO SOX!!! HAHAHA colorado has a great team. but man, all my life going to fenway and seeing the red sox lose their chance to a post season... its truly amazing to see another world series win and the second in four years.
it occurred to me that early in the last century, the red sox dominated as well. maybe its a centennial thing? anyways... its a happy day in red sox nation.
NOW GO PATS! they're killer - The podcasts never cease to amaze me, you have all this rare and unheard of music and share it so well with us. The instrumental stuff was incredable. No vocals means you listen to the music more.
I liked the idea of an 80 min podcast so I can burn a disc to listen to the music in my car. The down side will be whole concerts will be to long. Then I saw an earlier post saying you can split the cast with Itunes, which I didnt know about as I am desperate to put the 'mystery podcast' on discs to listen to while going to and from work.
Either way I'm happy. Keep feeding us the music doc
- Thanks for the dedication Doc,Abbie was very happy!That was the first live Cymbaline I ever heard so good choice.The Wintergarden stuff was played on my (7th) birthday so good choice.Celestial Instruments is the best new boot to appear in the last few months so good choice...ah,what the heck...Brain Damage ALWAYS a good choice.Thanks again dude - you're the best!
- Thanks, Doc! Another winner! Actually, it doesn't really mayyer if they're longer than 80mins, it's pretty easy to split the podcasts using iTunes, but this is nice - no adjustment necessary.
P.S. I e-mailed Roger Waters on the eve of the 40th anniversary Piper coming out to point out what a wasted opportunity this was (yet again!) when there is so much great quality unreleased stuff floating about, why do they insist on dangling the "one unreleased track" carrot time and time again. Especially now that Syd is no longer with us, he'll finally get peace from the idiots hassling him every time he would pop out for a paper or pint of milk. Also, if Floyd are no more, then what is to stop them doing a box set of rarities, or unreleased stuff, or... Floyd at the BBC? It was good enough for Bowie and the Beatles...
Anyway, suffice to say, he didn't reply! Ciao! - By the way, the 80 minute format is actually kind of nice. I feel like I can take a break from whatever I\'m doing and listen to it right away, instead of having to put it aside and listen later when I have more time.
So the longer ones are good in that they\'re sort of like a \"concert experience\", but the more concise shows have their advantages.
(If 80 minutes seems short to you, think about how Brian Eno must have felt when he had to come up with something only a few seconds long for the Windows 95 start up sound!) - One thing that fascinates me about early versions (similarly to the Wall mockup) is how some songs tend to be pretty much fully formed right out of the gate. Anything else that was added to Brain Damage (female singers, etc) was really just icing on the cake. The only lyric I could hear that was different was "playing different tunes", but I couldn't make out what it was.
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